I’ve been listening to a lot of theist/atheist debates, and let me tell you, the thing that really burns my hide is the way theists (notice I did not say “Christians”) are revising history and redifining terms.

For example, the one that burns my hide the most is: “You cannot be an atheist and believe in absolute logic, science, or morality.” The reasoning behind this, of course, is that you can only believe in absolutes if you believe in God. It is logical to believe in God because all signs point to intelligent design. Also, morality can only come from an absolute source; otherwise, we have relative morality. Therefore, God must be the source of all morality. Finally, because the scientific laws of the universe are absolute, they must come from God, otherwise, the atheistic view of the universe (which is redefined as “chaotic”) would exist, and it does not. The universe makes sense. It is ordered. Therefore, it must come from a single source: God.

Also, we cannot use logic to argue for or against God because God is outside of logic. Just as atheists use logic to say God does not exist (which we don’t, we only refute the claims of God, which means God remains unproven, which is a far cry from “God does not exist”), atheists must acknowledge that living in an atheist universe means you have to accept that there is no universal anything, and thus, there is no justification for morality.

Well.

There are so many faulty arguments there, I don’t even know where to begin. Instead of using logic to define or prove or disprove God, let’s just use some simple common sense to look at these “arguments.”

1st Cause Argument: everything must have a cause, therefore the universe must have a cause, and that cause must be God.

Assumption: the cause of the Universe is God. We don’t know that.

Assumption: if everything has a cause, then God must also have a cause.

But wait! God is beyond cause! And thus, beyond this argument. Well, you still haven’t proven that God created anything. It could have been aliens. Or buppins. Or muppets. Just saying, “God is the cause” isn’t enough. You have to prove it.

That, of course, raises the question, “How do we even know about God?” Well, we know about God from the Bible. That brings up a second point.

The Bible says that God exists, and the Bible is the Word of God, therefore God exists.

Begging the question, circular argument.

Asserts the source of the argument as the conclusion. You must first prove the existence of God, and then prove the Bible was written by God.

For example, I have a piece of paper. It says “The Bible is wrong.” It’s signed by “God.”

Because this paper states it was signed by God, it must be true. God wouldn’t lie. Therefore, the Bible is false.

But the Bible says that it’s true. Which is more true, this piece of paper or the Bible?

See, we’re assuming one very important truth without proving it: we’re assuming the Bible came from God just because it says it did.

What if the Bible came from the Devil? Or aliens? Or muppets? Can you prove the Bible came from God? What’s your proof? And you can’t use the Bible to prove the Bible. That’s ridiculous. As ridiculous as my piece of paper that says the Bible is false because I say God signed it.

If you’d like to research evidence to prove the Bible isn’t the innerant word of God, go check out  the Nicene Convention and the Nicene Creed. This is the basis of modern Christianity. It was voted upon (VOTED!?!?!) by a few hundred different Christian sects. They decided which books went into the Bible, forumulating the basis of the Catholic Church.

All subsequent Christian faiths are based on these decisions. In other words, your Christian faith is, by definition, Catholic.

Oh, by the way, the reason we had Crusades shortly thereafter was to kill off all the Christians who didn’t believe in the Catholic interpretation of Christ’s message.

That’s right: kill. As in murder. Hundreds of thousands of Christians were murdered by the Catholic Church for disagreeing with the Catholic interpretation of the Bible. Almost all of those “heretical” books have been lost… except the ones we found by the Dead Sea.

Now, this raises a very important question… why were these other faiths murdered? Was it because they were wrong… or was it because they were RIGHT???

Nobody knows. You know why? Because nobody can prove which interpretation is correct. But we can prove all those “heretics” were killed off before they got any of their heretical thoughts injected into the European belief system.

Thank God for that.